baiting in WA

Submitted: Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 11:30
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no not talking afl to vics - 1080 baiting commences this weekend throughout conservation lands in WA (3.9m hectares). baiting takes approx 2 months then remains active on the ground for 3-4 mths depending on weather. the upshot of all this - if travelling through WA do it without the dog.........i.e. no dogs - leave them at home or whatever. no woof in the bush - no cute new puppy - no bl**dy lwd..............and conservation areas include national parks. so do not bring your dog into the bush............pussycats ok - in fact do us all a favour and train them to take baits..............rgds
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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 12:43

Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 12:43
Wow!

Maverick by name and Maverick by nature.

Thanks for the heads up
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Reply By: Member - Greydemon (WA) - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 13:47

Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 13:47
1080 apparently kills foreign invaders but doesn't hurt native mammals. Makes you wonder what would happen if it got in the water supply, I would think that 40,000 years would be enough for a group to count as 'native mammals', while very similar mammals who have only been here a couple of hundred years might be in trouble!
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Follow Up By: Member - Clive G (NZ) - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 18:34

Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 18:34
greydemon
Don't believe the B/S about 1080 killing only foreign pests. It's a story put out by Govt to keep greenies off their back. It's used a lot here in NZ in the bush, I have been in the bush after a 1080 drop and it's totaly silent, not a living thing, walking or flying. It's a shocking way to die as well. But so far there is nothing as cheap or effective to be had. The control boards say no matter about the total kill off as the native animals and birds restock the area from outside. But so do the pest animals. Not very bright some of these people.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 22:01

Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 22:01
Clive check out site link Site Link

Dog (10 kg) 1/12 or 510 gms
Cat (2 kg) 1/9 or 660 gms
Man (70 kg) 6 - 20
Eastern quoll (1.2 kg) 2/3 or 3900 gmsg
Tasmanian devil (5 kg) 3
Eagle (4 kg) 5
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Saturday, Jun 02, 2007 at 01:13

Saturday, Jun 02, 2007 at 01:13
Richard,
Thanks for the link, every one should read it.
It would have been better if you had used Table 1 from that site, the info in table2 is meaningless unless you read the Paper on the link first as Table 2 refers to the number of pademelons one must eat to have a good chance of dying.

The techniques used for animal baiting in WA (which is where Maverick is commenting on) are quite different to those used in Tas and Vic.

Rabbits are baited with oats that have been vacuum impregnated with a measured amount of 1080, each oat grain contains enough 1080 to kill 2-3 rabbits.Most birds cannot eat sufficient oats to uptake enough poison to kill them.

Wild dogs and foxes are baited with a dried meat bait roughly 1.25 inch cube with just enough 1080 injected to kill 1-2 dogs.

This bait is deliberately too large for the small carnivores (Quolls etc) to eat sufficient to ingest a lethal dose of 1080,given their high tolerance to this poison.

Hope this clears up some misconceptions about 1080 baiting especially in WAas distinct from other states and countries ie NZ.

Just in case anyone wants to know, I spent the last 22 years working with Dept of Agriculture and Agriculture Protection Board doing Plant and Animal control.

Disco.
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Follow Up By: obee - Saturday, Jun 02, 2007 at 18:45

Saturday, Jun 02, 2007 at 18:45
according to what I read, 1080 is present in native Australian flora and Australian fauna have to be immune or go extinct. Not surprised it kills NZ fauna.

I heard this recently, "Evolution is the exception, extinction is the rule". I reckon the human species is going to follow the rule the way we are going.

Owen the optimist
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Follow Up By: Richard W (NSW) - Saturday, Jun 02, 2007 at 19:58

Saturday, Jun 02, 2007 at 19:58
The Georgina Wattle in the Simpson smells of 1080 particularly when in flower. It contains the same compound, sodium fluroacetate, as the poison.
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Saturday, Jun 02, 2007 at 20:57

Saturday, Jun 02, 2007 at 20:57
obee,
"According to what I read 1080 is present in native Australian flora and Australian fauna have to be immune or go extinct."

Only partly correct; SOME Australian flora contain 1080, mainly "Oxylobium" and "Gastrolobium" spp. They're commonly known as Poison Bush or Poison Plants.
Most spp are in WA with a few in NT and PNG.

Immunity is also incorrect, technically it is an increased tolerance brought about by continual exposure to and grazing of these plants.
Western Australian native fauna generally have much higher tolerance to 1080 than the same species in other states.

Hope this helps in the discussion

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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 19:03

Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 19:03
Thanks for the warning.

1080 baiting is mind numbing stupidity.

What about the Wedgies, Ealges, Hawks etc. What is good for one carnivore must be good for another

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Reply By: swampy66 - Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 20:43

Friday, Jun 01, 2007 at 20:43
hey mav,

how about disclosing your sources of information to give you story a little more credibility.

cheers
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Reply By: The Explorer - Saturday, Jun 02, 2007 at 23:14

Saturday, Jun 02, 2007 at 23:14
This subject has been discussed before. As I said then 1080 is one of the best tools in the management of feral carnivorous feral animals available (not my opinion – a fact). The consequences of its use might not be perfect (maybe they are?) but they are not stupid. It is used in a controlled manner to achieve an aim – and it is working. Comments by some suggesting that it has a noticeable detrimental effect on native animals certainly doesn’t apply in WA where it’s the best thing since sliced bread. Bring it on:)

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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:00

Tuesday, Jun 05, 2007 at 17:00
Its i not a fix all but In wa it is ery effective. i understand most animal have little immunity in Tassie for instnce as well as Probably NZ coz it doesnt occur there much. Unfortunatly cats arenot attractedto the standard bait however a cat bait was trailled at Lorna Glen Station - Anyone know how that went? I gather initial trials were encouraging
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